tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post676599253542108689..comments2024-01-24T00:33:14.502-08:00Comments on hashtagclass: To Complicate Things#classhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12104655273004617872noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post-65311620924674028872012-03-27T23:41:26.474-07:002012-03-27T23:41:26.474-07:00Your blog is very good ....
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i think we tried that, and it failed horribly...zip<br /><br />i think we tried that, and it failed horribly miserably and totally. I love the idea of an enlightened monarchy almost as much as i hate the idea of socialism. Again same problems with each, good in theory, bad in practice<br /><br />ZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post-3396450935901521802010-02-01T12:13:45.914-08:002010-02-01T12:13:45.914-08:00A levee sounds great- people need to give back mor...A levee sounds great- people need to give back more and recognize the art world exists because of a lot of pro-bono work - like when you buy your friends pizza and beer for helping you move - but who determines where money goes? The NEA? If you create a slush fund who oversees it? Won't it attract flies? If the art world is self policing how come there are so many assholes in it? So many vanity galleries without any interest in institutional critique but maybe a minor economic interest in leveling the playing field? So many artists who "borrow" ideas and then change with the weather?<br /><br />The fact is most artists don't want to belong to any group - ego and personality mixed with the differences in tastes and allegiance to styles of thinking and making, make organization hard.<br /><br />Plus, the minute someone dangles money in the cage, playground rules dictate someone will cave into the lottery. Everyone has their price.<br /><br />If there is a solution it is either to be more talented and richer than everyone, and thus be in a position to enact the changes in an altruistic spirit (what our forefathers called an enlightened monarchy). <br /><br />Ask yourself, who is that talent, and then elect them as president - make sure they owe you one.zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post-75197726665797087112010-01-30T14:43:10.959-08:002010-01-30T14:43:10.959-08:00Ed,
The last thing I want to do is impose red tap...Ed,<br /><br />The last thing I want to do is impose red tape, top down bureaucratic regulations and controls on the art market. I'm not mandating anything. I think that if anything is to shake up and reorient the art market for long term sustainability (where what is sustained is an artists ability to create and sell their work, and a gallery is able to pay its rent and make a decent though not exorbitant profit)it MUST be a grass roots, bottom up, people and community powered movement. Not something artificial imposed by government or any kind of association. I think the measures Bill mentions above are good conversation starters, arbitrary though they may be. But again, this has to come from within the community. It has to start small, be well organized, but it must come from the bottom up. All great lasting social movements in this country, ones that have lasting impact and are able to sustain themselves long enough to achieve at least some of their goals, are bottom up people powered movements. <br />With social media, the community finally has a way to build and strengthen this. We have a way to dialogue, without regards to money, georgraphy or access.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post-21032536959052166382010-01-29T12:05:30.214-08:002010-01-29T12:05:30.214-08:00I realize as I re-read that that when I say "...I realize as I re-read that that when I say "promising" it makes it sound like these grants would go to young people, and they definitely need it. But most middle-aged artists (including this one) can't really make a living from their work either, which is no less a problem.#classhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12104655273004617872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post-71786064240655742892010-01-29T12:01:18.891-08:002010-01-29T12:01:18.891-08:00Sounds like Zachary has something more radical in ...Sounds like Zachary has something more radical in mind, but what about (just throwing this out there in the spirit of brainstorming) a 1% tax on all art sales above a certain price point: $10,000? $30,000? $100,000? The money raised could fund art grants (many more grants than the few private ones now available) to promising non-established artists to help them to keep working.<br /><br />Jen#classhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12104655273004617872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post-13634295437554231642010-01-29T11:38:03.250-08:002010-01-29T11:38:03.250-08:00Totally agree.
Frequently, though, I hear folks ...Totally agree. <br /><br />Frequently, though, I hear folks call for regulations or other market controls in the art world as if they don't exist because of some powerful lobby that fights to prevent them. <br /><br />They don't exist mostly, I think, because there's relatively little money in the system compared with markets the government is right to regulate. <br /><br />No one who runs a gallery wants additional red tape to deal with, but I'm open to fairness in the market. I've just yet to see a recommendation for ensuring "fair market prices" that made sense. I look forward to Zachary's presentation.Edward_https://www.blogger.com/profile/00110804435781673357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post-65505781487870568542010-01-29T08:54:53.795-08:002010-01-29T08:54:53.795-08:00Ed,
I have the feeling that Zachary is prepared t...Ed,<br /><br />I have the feeling that Zachary is prepared to present those details at #class. It certainly seems like something that could sustain a long discussion, if not an intense debate about "fair market prices". I think it's extremely relevant to the show.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00154012560700446804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post-68835618640953659132010-01-29T05:29:43.626-08:002010-01-29T05:29:43.626-08:00Artists should be opting out of this "lottery...<i>Artists should be opting out of this "lottery" system, refusing to show their work at certain galleries or to be represented until fair market prices and fair practices are embedded in the culture of the dealers and collectors.</i><br /><br />Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but what would your system of "fair market prices and fair practices" look like? Details...details.Edward_https://www.blogger.com/profile/00110804435781673357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post-4419815656850772222010-01-28T19:33:45.485-08:002010-01-28T19:33:45.485-08:00A sustainable art market is one that has a sense o...A sustainable art market is one that has a sense of permaculture built into it. That is that the inputs and outputs reach a state of equilibrium. As long as artists continue to play by the rules of their social betters, there will be no sustainable art market. Artists need to group and collectivize. The miniscule number of artists who get the majority of press, dealer and collector attention, and who make completely large and arbitrary sums of money from their art are JUST as liable and responsible for the current state of things. Artists should be opting out of this "lottery" system, refusing to show their work at certain galleries or to be represented until fair market prices and fair practices are embedded in the culture of the dealers and collectors. The market is so out of whack that this kind of drastic manipulation is necessaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588979472362835387.post-71317676379886024832010-01-28T13:36:07.964-08:002010-01-28T13:36:07.964-08:00damndamnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com